How to grow aquarium plants without co2 and fertilizers?

Every 40 days, buy CO2 cylinders for 1500 rubles. I don't really want to, but for living plants it is necessary. Is it possible to do without CO2 in an aquarium with live plants?

NewAkvariumist

There is a lot of unpretentious grass that does not need CO2) It is enough that the fish breathe

NewAkvariumist
Every 40 days, buy CO2 cylinders for 1500 rubles.

where are these numbers from? and prices and terms?

NewAkvariumist
Every 40 days, buy CO2 cylinders for 1500 rubles. I don't really want to, but for living plants it is necessary.Is it possible to do without CO2 in an aquarium with live plants?

You have some small cylinders. A 5-liter bottle is enough for me for 3 months for two 450-liter aquariums.

You can do it. It is easier if the water is soft and the pH in the aquarium does not exceed 7.5. In this case, it is sometimes enough to have aeration, which will replenish CO2 from the air, and the plants will not starve for carbon.

NewAkvariumist

A lot of plants live well in rather hard water without additional supply of CO2. Moreover, if this is your first aqua, don't mess with CO2. Why do you need accompanying problems with light and parole. A sufficient amount of fish will provide unpretentious, simple and beautiful plants with everything they need. Leave all the troubles for later. Experience will come, figure out for yourself what you need and what you don't.

Today I went to refuel a 2-liter - there in the office there is a refueling of 500 rubles up to 5 liters, it is not profitable to refuel small ones) But for 1650 I took another 5-liter new, filled. I plowed a 2-liter one for almost 3 months, respectively, a 5-liter one is enough for six months for sure. Refueling 500r for six months.
Or do you have a herbalist for 1000 liters?

NewAkvariumist
Is it possible to do without CO2 in an aquarium with live plants?

You can do it, but is it necessary? The quality of the plants will be

incomparable ... For me personally, a plant aquarium without CO2 supply is not needed for nothing. They are often frightened by some mythical problems, since the main problem is precisely the lack of carbon. Without CO2 problems m. much more ... and the plants are not so cheap to be scattered about. I have a 5L can of fire extinguisher for three aquariums. Charging costs 150 rubles, the approximate consumption was announced

Konstantin Kucherenko ... There is also a 2-liter replacement. Costs for CO2 per month - a penny. With the supply of CO2, the plants become so perfect that they are even too much, and sometimes you have to explain that they are alive, not artificial.

Just ask yourself the question - how did the plants grow and multiply in the aquariums of the Soviet aquarists? When have you thought about adding CO2 to your aquariums? And in general, as far as I remember, they began to supply carbon dioxide in Dutch aquariums by adding gas water. I agree that now the culture contains many species that were previously inaccessible. Where did they come from? Probably from nature. The question is - where in nature has anyone seen CO2 installations? I have not personally met.

The atmospheric air also contains carbon dioxide. When water is stirred, it is saturated not only with oxygen.

The infamous CO2 supply is intended for aquariums with large plant biomass. If there is no purpose to arrange a herbalist, it is quite possible to do without additional carbon dioxide, provided there is good biofiltration, to prevent algae outbreaks. At least that's how it works for me.

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NewAkvariumist

I have jars without soil cultivation, etc. fussy, I experimented with mash, so everything flooded by leaps and bounds. I had to weed, plant, throw out. The usual growth rate of scent suits me better. Was limited to improving lighting.

Whether you can do without CO2 depends on the purpose for which, in what conditions and what you want to grow.

NewAkvariumist

Take a photo, I wonder what you are growing there) Well, add a description of the aquarium, then it will be clear how necessary the supply of CO2 is.

The grass will grow even without CO2 supply, but it will only look a little differently. A little higher, one comrade referred to nature, that there somehow everything grows by itself and all that. Yes, it grows, you can't argue) Just put on a mask, fins and swim in freshwater reservoirs - the type of vegetation is very different from Dutch aquariums and not for the better. You can break lances in disputes about which is better: artificial beauty or naturalness, but everyone decides for himself. We interfere in one jar with plants that in nature do not intersect with each other ... aquascape is generally a flight of imagination.So everyone decides for himself whether he needs it or not. If you have extra money - be puzzled, play: you yourself will understand whether you need it or not. If you have doubts about the NECESSITY of CO2 supply, do not bother. CO2 supply (provided there is good lighting and nutrition) improves the appearance of plants and accelerates their growth, but is not necessary

P.S. Yesterday I drove the bottle to refuel, the whole day the aquarium was without CO2, the light was on the machine in normal mode. Perling (or bubbling - as you like) was at the level of single bubbles in 3-5 seconds from one point. About an hour after connecting the cylinder to the reducer to the surface, the usual endless streams of oxygen bubbles pulled out from many places.

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Examples of biotope plant growth without artificial supply of CO2.

On the video - as requested, in masks and with fins.

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Igor65

And the video from which reservoir? Nice, I admit it, but the landscape is just like in aqua - the depth is shallow, bright lighting and solid ground cover)

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= For me personally, a plant aquarium without CO2 supply is not needed for nothing. = (C)

= You just don’t know how to cook them = (c) - aquariums without CO2 ...))))))))))))) As the historical development of aquaristics shows, keeping plant aquariums without CO2 becomes aerobatics, but as they say popular proverb with CO2 = so any fool can = (c) ... the folk proverb does not apply to you and to any of the members of the forum, but the statement sometimes of the uselessness of CO2, which some members of the forum impose on newcomers and learning how to work as managers at filling CO2 or whole chemical plants for the production of CO2 ...)))))))))) sorry ...

Igor65
The question is - where in nature has anyone seen CO2 installations? I have not personally met.

if your aquarium has pH and KH of water as in a natural reservoir, then your water will also have enough CO2 for any grass without an external source, and if not, then CO2 is needed for whimsical grass ...

There are three reasons for CO2 supply.
1) If the available water is hard and alkaline, which is suitable for many plants. Supplying CO2 is the best way to lower the pH and create a normal environment. Now, with the development and distribution of RO systems, this problem is practically gone, there would be a desire.
2) The stocking density in a plant aquarium is much higher than in a natural reservoir. In nature, in flowing water bodies there is always an influx of new water with a standard composition of dissolved gases. In boggy natural water bodies, there is a lot of CO2 due to massive bottom decay. When planted tightly in an aquarium, the plants will quickly eat away all available carbon. It is difficult to compensate for this with a sufficient number of fish and other animals, since there must be too many of them for this. Provided point 1 is fulfilled, some sufficient amount of CO2, similar to that found in nature, can be provided with conventional aeration. At the same time, excess photosynthetic oxygen will be removed.
3) There are many plants currently in aquariums that do not grow under water in nature. But they can be grown quite successfully underwater if there is sufficient CO2 supply. Almost half of the aquarium mosses are of completely terrestrial origin. Again, you can argue how natural this is, but the introduction of CO2 significantly increases the number of design options.

If I'm not mistaken, the topic is called:

Is it possible to do without CO2 in an aquarium with live plants? No?

Igor65

It's just that such topics are very painfully perceived by a certain number of members of the forum, and instead of taking a constructive approach to this issue, where it is desirable to upload photos of aquariums without CO2, give other information, people begin to protest against this, despite the declared topic of discussion. It's unavoidable…..

NewAkvariumist, of course you can! Just pick up the plants, as they say, in a simpler way-)

This does not mean that they will be ugly ugly, and sometimes vice versa ..-)

For instance -

Cabomba caroliniana

Nayas

etc

They form beautiful emerald thickets, their care is minimal.

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Changed 5/28/16 by igor65

Without pretending to be the ultimate truth, I will take the liberty of affirming: if in nature (as evidenced by the video, the links to which are above), plants form entire underwater plantations without CO2 supply, it is possible to keep aquatic plants in aquariums without CO2 supply as well. And it seems that the appearance does not raise doubts about the health and well-being of the plants.
Plants forced to live in a submerged state only thanks to the will of aquarists are out of the question.